What is the difference?
Someone needs to get Tax Hike Mike a dictionary:
In an interview on "Fox News Sunday," the former Arkansas governor denied those words were a call to quarantine the AIDS population, although he did not explain how else isolation would be achieved. "I didn't say we should quarantine," he said. The idea was not to "lock people up."It's not unclear as to what the man said...Huckabee clearly advocated isolating AIDS patients:
If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague.Here is the definition of quarantine the dictionary, "a strict isolation imposed to prevent the spread of disease." Whether or not he used the actual word "quarantine" is irrelevant. The words quarantine and isolate are interchangeable.
It almost sounds like Clinton's famous statement, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
Yesterday, I expressed my desire to see what Andrew Sullivan had to say about Huckabee's statement...so here it is:
I fail to grasp the distinction between "isolating the carriers of this plague" and quarantining. So he's refusing to take responsibility for his previous statements, refuses even to regret what he said, and has also failed to take the opportunity to revise his view of gay people. I guess we need to understand that even for the compassionate Christianists, the hostility to gay people's lives, relationships and dignity is deeply ingrained. There is no way for a leading Christianist to say anything supportive or inclusive of gay couples that will not kill him with the Republican base. The country and the civilized world may have moved in one direction, but the Republican party has been seized and is now owned by the faction that is bent on moving strongly in the other direction. Huckabee is not some kind of exception to this rule; he is the rule. And he advances the key policy blend begun by George W. Bush: nanny-statism, big government conservatism, fiscal profligacy, and theo-democracy. He is the logical consequence of Bushism, with a pleasing and disarming affect. That's the underlying reason he is gaining such traction in the party Bush and Rove have remade.This is not a knock at Christianity, but it is a knock at individuals who seem hell-bent on putting their personal religious views into public policy through the legislative process.
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I took the statement to mean identify, clarify, diagnose, treat. Such as isolating a problem and dealing with it. AIDS is the problem. It is a public health matter.
Posted by: Larry Stanley | December 10, 2007 07:15 AM
Amen, Larry. The people who are creating this controversy are being very dishonest. They are implying that Huckabee wants to put everybody with AIDS into a concentration camp. These people know this is not what Huckabee means, but they dilike him because he is a Conservative Christian. If a Muslim cleric had said the same thing or worse, the Left would have NOTHING to say except, "Who are we to judge his religous views?."
Huckabee meant "isolate." He did not say "quarentine" because that word does imply locking people up in rooms by themselves. He meant "isolate," as in make sure people with AIDS do not have sex or share needles or give blood to people without AIDS.
The Left knows what Mike Huckabee believes, and even those who don't know do not wish to find out. It serves their interest to label Mike Huckabee a Conservative Christian Republican bigot.
The Left is the side that lacks any clear thought. They pre-judge anyone who is a Conservative Chistian, and then they accuse the Right of bigotry. As Ann Coulter said, you can always tell what a Liberal is up to by what they accuse you of.
Posted by: Robbie | December 10, 2007 09:16 AM
Robbie,
It is a stretch to call Huckabee a "conservative" Christian. He is a Christian, but labling him as conservative implies that he supports limited government, low taxes, and spending cuts.
I think the people propping up Huckabee as "conservative" are being very dishonest.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 09:20 AM
"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."
I'm not quite sure what you to think that "isolated from the general population" means, but if you think it doesn't mean "separate" or "ostrasize" or "quarantine", then I think you both need to go back to school and learn about context clues.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 09:24 AM
they dilike him because he is a Conservative Christian.
I dislike him because he is a big government Republican.
They are implying that Huckabee wants to put everybody with AIDS into a concentration camp.
No, no they're happy camps.
He said he wanted to isolate them. He never said concentration camp, but he did say isolation.
Huckabee meant "isolate." He did not say "quarentine"
The words mean the same thing. Use a damn dictionary and stop using his talking points.
They pre-judge anyone who is a Conservative Chistian, and then they accuse the Right of bigotry.
Sounds like most churches I've been to. But the "religious right" is bigoted in many respects.
You may brush it off if you'd like, but it doesn't make it untrue.
Posted by: Jason | December 10, 2007 09:29 AM
Why are Republicans scared to death of gay people?
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 09:31 AM
This one's not scared of them, but I'm damn sure sick of them!
Posted by: Tyler | December 10, 2007 09:46 AM
Why do Libertarians make generalizations about every group of people, like republicans, that they don't agree with?
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 10:21 AM
Back in the 1960's my brother had scarlet fever and our entire family was quarantined to our home for three weeks. It was the public health officials way of NOT allowing this illness to be transmitted to anyone else. We did not bitch and complain-we stayed inside until we were given the OK to have contact with people within our community and not jeopordize their health and/or life.
When AIDS reared its ugly head for the first time many people, like myself, were unsure and many even afraid of just how this disease was spread so early on I am sure health officials were not sure themselves and quarantine may have been an alternative, and rightfuly so, until we actually knew how AIDS was transmitted. Being cautious and making sure we were not allowing some sort of plague to take over and infect hundreds of thousands of citizens may have been an idea back then but not now since we know more about this disease. What Huckabee said may very well be taken out of context. I for one would rather be safe then sorry regarding a possible pandemic where we did not err on the side of caution to protect other citizens.
Posted by: Saharah | December 10, 2007 10:26 AM
I for one would rather be safe then sorry regarding a possible pandemic where we did not err on the side of caution to protect other citizens.
In 1992, you couldn't have said that. We knew how AIDS was transmitted.
Posted by: Jason | December 10, 2007 10:32 AM
Why do Libertarians make generalizations about every group of people, like republicans, that they don't agree with?
Right, cause we all know Republicans don't do that.
Posted by: Jason | December 10, 2007 10:34 AM
Not this one
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 10:35 AM
Uh, yes you do. You've made plenty of generalizations and when pressed about them, you don't back them up.
Posted by: Jason | December 10, 2007 10:38 AM
Sometimes I think that Republicans are scared of gay people just as much as terrorists.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 10:48 AM
Terrorists are afraid of Gay People?
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 10:54 AM
You've made plenty of generalizations and when pressed about them
I don't make generalizations about groups of people. I do make generalizations though.
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 10:56 AM
Sorry...bad wording.
Republicans fear gay people just as much as Republicans fear terrorists.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 11:07 AM
"The words mean the same thing. Use a damn dictionary and stop using his talking points."
For your information, I was sophisticated enough to see why Huckabee used "isolation" and not "quarentine" before I even heard Huckabee's talking points.
As one of my favorite social commentators Dennis Prager says, generalization is the mother of knowledge. But we're taught by Leftists in college not to make generalizations.
The mainstream media should continue to project its bigotry onto conservative Christians. It makes the media look bad because it is so obvious that the religious Right is much more sophisticated and reasonable than most members of the mainstream media. So, Leftists, bring it on!
Posted by: Robbie | December 10, 2007 12:18 PM
Republicans do not hate gay people, we hate gay sex acts. But it's none of our business what anyone does in his or her bedroom, so long he or she behaves responsibly if he or she has a disease.
Posted by: Robbie | December 10, 2007 12:24 PM
I didn't say Republicans hated gays. Republicans are simply scared of gays.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 12:39 PM
Scared how/why? I don't agree with this statement.
There is no reason to be afraid of gays. I might disagree with their lifestyle but it's not like they are trying to convert me. Now Moromons on the other hand...
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 12:46 PM
Sorry - Mormons
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 12:48 PM
If there is no reason to fear gays, then why does virtually every Republican politician run on the "3 G" platform of God, Gays, and Guns?
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 01:01 PM
WHAT FEAR???? Who cares about Gays? They will be judged for their sins one day like the rest of us.
I'm more afraid to go to Southlake Mall than to Ansley Mall.
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 01:09 PM
I'm with you, man. I don't understand this irrational fear that most Republican politicians seem to have toward gays.
I'm just trying to understand why they have it.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 01:19 PM
Oh ok, well being a Republican myself, I thought you were including me in your statement. But if you weren't, then we actually (finally) agree on something.
Posted by: Koz | December 10, 2007 01:48 PM
I'm not sure what Republicans' stance on homosexual behavior has to do with whether or not AIDS patients should be considered a public health risk.
However, for some of us it is just a question of where our civilization derives its values. So, here's the answer for some, though not all, of us:
Bring Back the A-word
Posted by: Robbie | December 10, 2007 02:00 PM
Well Robbie, if you had paid attention, your man Huckabee didn't say Aids was a public health risk.
He said being gay was a public health risk. So, you explain to me how that has do do with wheter or not aids patients should be considered a public health risk.
Posted by: Jace Walden | December 10, 2007 02:58 PM
***Beware***
The press and others (Jason et. al.) are being suckered into fighting Huckabee on a red herring social conservative issue. Don't fight him in the "briar patch", You'll only strengthen his support. Get him back out in the open and o